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Received: by cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:57:46 MST
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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 23:05 CDT
From: gep2@computek.net
Subject: Re: what to use instead of TCL or PERL
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>:Tcl is an embeddable scripting language. Perl is mainly a system
:administration and shell script language. Both are primarily Unix
:based. In what sense are Visual Basic or Java appropriate for the
:typical uses of Tcl or Perl?
:
:To start with, Visual Basic runs only on PC's and Java isn't even in
:Beta yet!
First off, "only on PCs" isn't a huge problem... since there are probably an
order of magnitude more PCs in use in the world than all other general-purpose
computers EVER built, put together. And as the power of PC-platform machines
inexorably increases, (not surprising, given the huge volumes of money available
to improve PC performance) the edge that the higher-end machines have over
PC-platform machines gets slimmer and slimmer.
But there are plenty of other interesting languages, in any case, which have
been ported to just about all nontrivial platforms.
>Perl is used for CGI scripting and general tools work,
But aren't other languages just as good (or better) for this kind of thing?
Frankly, I've looked at Perl, and (coming from a SNOBOL4+/ICON perspective) I
was NOT impressed by it. Obviously Perl looks great, to someone who doesn't
know any better. But just because someone ELSE is relatively-speaking in the
dark doesn't necessarily make me want to follow in their ill-informed footsteps.
>and runs not just on Unix, but also VMS, MVS, MsDOS, NT, Amigas, Macs, and
many other systems as well.
I think there are versions of SNOBOL4 and ICON available for each of those other
platforms as well.
>I would not say its use is restricted to Unix sysadmins,
Certainly. But just because THEY aren't better informed about the better
alternatives is hardly a compelling reason for the rest of us to do like they
do. :-)
Gordon Peterson
http://www.computek.net/public/gep2/